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Re: Summer Tanager at LLC

John Callender
 

This morning around 7:30 I saw what I believe is probably the same bird in the same location. The bird I saw was mostly red overall with some lighter splotches; I'd be curious if anyone who saw the bird yesterday could weigh in on whether the photos in the eBird list below look like the same individual.

Also of note was a White-winged Dove that flew from the top of one of the large trees near Stow House around 9 a.m.; I last saw it flying east over the tops of the large eucalyptus trees on the east side of the lake. No photos of that bird, unfortunately.

https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S60502690

John Callender
Carpinteria

Re: Summer Tanager at LLC

Rebecca Coulter
 

Almost certainly a different bird. The one we saw--though not all that well--was way more blotchy overall, not nearly as red. Cool!
Rebecca Coulter
SB

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 11:24 AM John Callender <jbc@...> wrote:
This morning around 7:30 I saw what I believe is probably the same bird in the same location. The bird I saw was mostly red overall with some lighter splotches; I'd be curious if anyone who saw the bird yesterday could weigh in on whether the photos in the eBird list below look like the same individual.

Also of note was a White-winged Dove that flew from the top of one of the large trees near Stow House around 9 a.m.; I last saw it flying east over the tops of the large eucalyptus trees on the east side of the lake. No photos of that bird, unfortunately.

https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S60502690

John Callender
Carpinteria

Re: Summer Tanager at LLC

Rebecca Coulter
 

I just received a couple of photos from one of the students in the birding class, and it does indeed look like it’s probably the same bird. The olive leaves lent a splotchy appearance to the bird, when it is actually pretty red all over. Thanks to the birders who have the patience to carry cameras as well as binoculars!

Rebecca Coulter 
SB

On Oct 10, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Rebecca Coulter via Groups.Io <rfcphoebe@...> wrote:


Almost certainly a different bird. The one we saw--though not all that well--was way more blotchy overall, not nearly as red. Cool!
Rebecca Coulter
SB

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 11:24 AM John Callender <jbc@...> wrote:
This morning around 7:30 I saw what I believe is probably the same bird in the same location. The bird I saw was mostly red overall with some lighter splotches; I'd be curious if anyone who saw the bird yesterday could weigh in on whether the photos in the eBird list below look like the same individual.

Also of note was a White-winged Dove that flew from the top of one of the large trees near Stow House around 9 a.m.; I last saw it flying east over the tops of the large eucalyptus trees on the east side of the lake. No photos of that bird, unfortunately.

https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S60502690

John Callender
Carpinteria

An odd gift of migration

Rebecca Coulter
 

Birders,
Once again I've had unusual evidence of migration at my doorstep. This time, not my doorstep per se, but at my feet. Walking alongside the Butterfly Pavilion at the Museum of Natural History this morning, I stubbed my toe on what I thought was a clump of leaves. It was the head of a Western Meadowlark, bright red blood still wet on one side. Unless this species winters nearby on the Mission lawn, which I've never seen before, it's pretty far out of its usual habitat. I looked around for the rest of the bird but couldn't find it. This odd discovery comes after two stories this week of finding this species in strange places: I almost hit one that was standing in the middle of Hwy 101 last week, and a colleague saw one standing in the gutter at the intersection of Alamar and State streets.

A slightly grisly gift but I was glad to get the chance to acknowledge its presence and hand over the specimen. With any luck, a resident Cooper's Hawk benefited from the rest of the bird.

Rebecca Coulter
SB

Re: An odd gift of migration

Tom Miko
 

Okay this is strange, because I stepped out of my house in Claremont (Los Angeles County) late yesterday afternoon and was astounded to see a Western Meadowlark on the narrow strip of glass between my townhouse and the neighbor across the way.

Thomas Geza Miko
Claremont, LA County
909.241.3300
"Nobody knows what it is, which is what makes it cool." --The Industrial Design Guy

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 10:07 AM Rebecca Coulter <rfcphoebe@...> wrote:
Birders,
Once again I've had unusual evidence of migration at my doorstep. This time, not my doorstep per se, but at my feet. Walking alongside the Butterfly Pavilion at the Museum of Natural History this morning, I stubbed my toe on what I thought was a clump of leaves. It was the head of a Western Meadowlark, bright red blood still wet on one side. Unless this species winters nearby on the Mission lawn, which I've never seen before, it's pretty far out of its usual habitat. I looked around for the rest of the bird but couldn't find it. This odd discovery comes after two stories this week of finding this species in strange places: I almost hit one that was standing in the middle of Hwy 101 last week, and a colleague saw one standing in the gutter at the intersection of Alamar and State streets.

A slightly grisly gift but I was glad to get the chance to acknowledge its presence and hand over the specimen. With any luck, a resident Cooper's Hawk benefited from the rest of the bird.

Rebecca Coulter
SB

Black Skimmers

Larry Ballard
 

A flock of about 300 Black Skimmers has shown up a couple of times during the past week at East Beach near the base of Milpas St. The wind had them grounded yesterday afternoon and I was able to count 306. None seen there today.
Larry Ballard 
Carpinteria

Re: An odd gift of migration

Joel Barrett
 

I too had an out of place Meadowlark. It was over the ocean in the SB channel last week. Right around the middle of the channel. Not your typical habitat either, however they can be found on the islands. 
Joel Barrett 
Port Hueneme, Ca



On Oct 11, 2019, at 10:20 AM, Tom Miko <tgmiko@...> wrote:

Okay this is strange, because I stepped out of my house in Claremont (Los Angeles County) late yesterday afternoon and was astounded to see a Western Meadowlark on the narrow strip of glass between my townhouse and the neighbor across the way.

Thomas Geza Miko
Claremont, LA County
909.241.3300
"Nobody knows what it is, which is what makes it cool." --The Industrial Design Guy

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 10:07 AM Rebecca Coulter <rfcphoebe@...> wrote:
Birders,
Once again I've had unusual evidence of migration at my doorstep. This time, not my doorstep per se, but at my feet. Walking alongside the Butterfly Pavilion at the Museum of Natural History this morning, I stubbed my toe on what I thought was a clump of leaves. It was the head of a Western Meadowlark, bright red blood still wet on one side. Unless this species winters nearby on the Mission lawn, which I've never seen before, it's pretty far out of its usual habitat. I looked around for the rest of the bird but couldn't find it. This odd discovery comes after two stories this week of finding this species in strange places: I almost hit one that was standing in the middle of Hwy 101 last week, and a colleague saw one standing in the gutter at the intersection of Alamar and State streets.

A slightly grisly gift but I was glad to get the chance to acknowledge its presence and hand over the specimen. With any luck, a resident Cooper's Hawk benefited from the rest of the bird.

Rebecca Coulter
SB

Summer Tanager LLC

Betsy Mooney
 

The Summer Tanager observed at LLC by Rebecca Coulter and John Callender was still present this morning in the olive trees around 9:00 a.m. Beautiful bird!

My checklist with three photos: https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S60532188

Betsy Mooney
Santa Barbara/Goleta


birding at East Beach, Chase Palm Park, Cemetery, Butterfly

Joan Lentz <joanlentz@...>
 

Hi All:
Today Mark Holmgren & I got out for some birding here & there:  it was warm!  At East Beach Mission Creek outfall it was quiet, shorebird population way down.  Part of Larry Ballard’s flock of Black Skimmers came by, about 80 in all, then soon left being chased by a dog offleash….groan.  We crossed the street to new Chase Palm Park, where the sycamores & willows by Laguna Creek (?) offered up a BLACK-THROATED GRAY WARBLER, but that was about it.  Mark went over to the restoration plantings by the new desal plant which were really birdy last year, but nothing happening there today.
Then we went to the S.B. Cemetery, which was cool, shady, and Mark pulled out a TROPICAL KINGBIRD perched on the top of a small tree to the south of where we parked, near the first curve from the Cabrillo Blvd entrance, where the live oaks grow down that north slope.  We also had an Osprey perched on a cypress near the cliff edge portion of the cemetery.  
We then stopped at Butterfly x Hill Rd. intersection, where the sliver of ungroomed Music Academy property there held a beautiful adult male HERMIT WARBLER, also first spotted by Mark.  
If we’d gotten out a little earlier, we might’ve seen more…..so, there’s stuff still happening!

Joan Lentz
SB

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Joan Lentz
Santa Barbara

Refugio

Bradley Hacker
 

I made an AM visit to Refugio Canyon.
* The campground is still jammed with people and the back-dune pond extends underneath the bridge, meaning that the usual riparian habit is now a lake with Mallards and Coots. I had a quick look at the flock of uneasy looking gulls being chased around, and then left...too many people.
* The first creek crossing was more lively, but nothing special. There were a few sparrows and warblers, with the most "exciting" being a Nashville and Black-Throated Gray.
* The upper canyon has been neutron bombed (it would seem). In an hour and 1.9 km the only sparrows I saw were Juncos, and the only warblers one Yellow-Rump and one Townsends. A couple of lovely Hermit Thrushes were present in the upper, wet section of the creek below the fly horse ranch.

Brad Hacker, Goleta

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Good birding, 

Bradley Hacker
Goleta CA
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bradley_hacker/albums

Birders no longer welcome at Laguna Rd. (Ventura Co.)

Noah Arthur
 

Thanks to Steve Tucker for pointing out the sensitive access situation at the Laguna Rd. tams. The local residents obviously do not like birders walking along Laguna Rd, so in my opinion this location should be considered closed to birding, and should be marked as “restricted access” in eBird. 

In the past, situations where birders refused to stop visiting a road with tams when local landowners asked them to, resulted in the tams being cut down and the birds losing this important habitat. 

Noah Arthur (Oakland)


Re: Birders no longer welcome at Laguna Rd. (Ventura Co.)

Adam Searcy
 

Noah and others, 

Birders have been accessing this row of tamarisks for years. Birders continue to be allowed to access this public road shoulder. Birders should continue to be respectful of private property, not interfere with traffic or farming operations, and be sure to park off of the road. As long as we use common sense when birding that roadside, no issues should arise. Whether or not the trees someday disappear (as have many windbreaks of tamarisks and other trees on the Oxnard Plain) will probably have nothing to do with birders. 

Adam Searcy
Santa Barbara, CA

On Oct 12, 2019, at 18:36, Noah Arthur via Groups.Io <semirelicta@...> wrote:

Thanks to Steve Tucker for pointing out the sensitive access situation at the Laguna Rd. tams. The local residents obviously do not like birders walking along Laguna Rd, so in my opinion this location should be considered closed to birding, and should be marked as “restricted access” in eBird. 

In the past, situations where birders refused to stop visiting a road with tams when local landowners asked them to, resulted in the tams being cut down and the birds losing this important habitat. 

Noah Arthur (Oakland)


Re: Birders no longer welcome at Laguna Rd. (Ventura Co.)

David Pereksta
 

Noah

This is not your call to make, yet it is something you have done numerous times in Northern California and are now trying to do it down here. Just because someone got talked to by a motorist on Laguna Road does not mean it is off limits to birders. I have been talked to by frustrated people there numerous times when I am birding there respectfully on my own. Yes, groups and some individuals should conduct themselves better there, but it does not mean that you can come in and dictate where people should bird or do not bird. We talked about this the other day (which obviously did not have any impact on you) so I don’t know what to do about this. I will tell you that I am not approving your post to the venturacobirding list and the next time you post anything like this, I am banishing you from the list. 

All other birders reading this, please ignore Noah’s post. However, when you are at the Laguna tams, please be respectful to motorists and step out of the road when cars are passing by. 

Dave Pereksta
Ventura



On Oct 12, 2019, at 18:36, Noah Arthur via Groups.Io <semirelicta@...> wrote:


Thanks to Steve Tucker for pointing out the sensitive access situation at the Laguna Rd. tams. The local residents obviously do not like birders walking along Laguna Rd, so in my opinion this location should be considered closed to birding, and should be marked as “restricted access” in eBird. 

In the past, situations where birders refused to stop visiting a road with tams when local landowners asked them to, resulted in the tams being cut down and the birds losing this important habitat. 

Noah Arthur (Oakland)


Re: An odd gift of migration

Kirill Shtengel
 

For what it's worth, together with another visiting birdwatcher we saw a Western Medowllark on Santa Cruz island last Sunday (10/6)

Re: Birders no longer welcome at Laguna Rd. (Ventura Co.)

Noah Arthur
 

Thing is, now that some birders have blocked traffic there, the local landowners will see ALL birders as a potential nuisance at best, and a menace to public safety at worst. You all really think it's OK to keep birding a place where local landowners clearly don't want us to bird? To me, birding doesn't seem to be a good enough reason to antagonize people like this. And landowners do have the authority to tell birders to leave public roads bordering their property, simply because birding is an unimportant and illegitimate, even if legal, use of public roads. 

If anybody can give a good reason why it's ethically OK to bird such places, then I'm all ears. But I haven't heard anything convincing yet; everyone tells me that it's fine to bird such sensitive areas simply because it's not illegal. However, something being legal doesn't mean it's ethical, so to me that argument is not particularly convincing... 

Noah







On Saturday, October 12, 2019, 07:12:33 PM PDT, David Pereksta <pereksta@...> wrote:


Noah

This is not your call to make, yet it is something you have done numerous times in Northern California and are now trying to do it down here. Just because someone got talked to by a motorist on Laguna Road does not mean it is off limits to birders. I have been talked to by frustrated people there numerous times when I am birding there respectfully on my own. Yes, groups and some individuals should conduct themselves better there, but it does not mean that you can come in and dictate where people should bird or do not bird. We talked about this the other day (which obviously did not have any impact on you) so I don’t know what to do about this. I will tell you that I am not approving your post to the venturacobirding list and the next time you post anything like this, I am banishing you from the list. 

All other birders reading this, please ignore Noah’s post. However, when you are at the Laguna tams, please be respectful to motorists and step out of the road when cars are passing by. 

Dave Pereksta
Ventura



On Oct 12, 2019, at 18:36, Noah Arthur via Groups.Io <semirelicta@...> wrote:


Thanks to Steve Tucker for pointing out the sensitive access situation at the Laguna Rd. tams. The local residents obviously do not like birders walking along Laguna Rd, so in my opinion this location should be considered closed to birding, and should be marked as “restricted access” in eBird. 

In the past, situations where birders refused to stop visiting a road with tams when local landowners asked them to, resulted in the tams being cut down and the birds losing this important habitat. 

Noah Arthur (Oakland)


Re: Birders no longer welcome at Laguna Rd. (Ventura Co.)

Todd McGrath
 

Noah,

I don’t live in CA anymore, but have birders the Laguna Tams annually for 20+ years (multiple times per year) including this year). Dave and some of the locals have birded It far more regularly. On many occasions local folks have stopped by to ask what we are doing and were interested to hear about the cool birds seen there. Once in a while someone comes by to express a concern, usually to report a birder or group of birders that didn’t behave well and caused a traffic situation and or a safety concern. Most of the time it’s out of fear that someone will be hurt. It’s never been the organic farm owner that owns the Tams as far as I know.  Steve Tucker very appropriately brought this incident up a a reminder to take care when birding the location, nothing more and nothing less.

You are a visitor the the VENCO area, and visitors should generally take their cues from the local birders about what the rules are for birding various locations adjacent to or on sensitive property. I travel all over the country fairly regularly and bird a number of locations like this. I always am careful to learn the rules, obey them, and be friendly and grateful to the landowners or locals that I meet. What makes you an expert on this location based on a comment that you did not even experience first-hand? Your history of creating issues such as this when none actually exist leaves me to believe there is a core issue that I am not qualified help you with, but perhaps you should find someone who is. 

Finally the Laguna Tams are in VENCO, not SBC. I would suggest you move this discussion to that forum. If you still believe it is not a place the public should bird, my advice is don’t bird it. 

Todd McGrath
SKUA@...
The Woodlands TX
But often the Laguna Tams

On Sunday, October 13, 2019, 02:07:01 AM CDT, Noah Arthur via Groups.Io <semirelicta@...> wrote:


Thing is, now that some birders have blocked traffic there, the local landowners will see ALL birders as a potential nuisance at best, and a menace to public safety at worst. You all really think it's OK to keep birding a place where local landowners clearly don't want us to bird? To me, birding doesn't seem to be a good enough reason to antagonize people like this. And landowners do have the authority to tell birders to leave public roads bordering their property, simply because birding is an unimportant and illegitimate, even if legal, use of public roads. 

If anybody can give a good reason why it's ethically OK to bird such places, then I'm all ears. But I haven't heard anything convincing yet; everyone tells me that it's fine to bird such sensitive areas simply because it's not illegal. However, something being legal doesn't mean it's ethical, so to me that argument is not particularly convincing... 

Noah







On Saturday, October 12, 2019, 07:12:33 PM PDT, David Pereksta <pereksta@...> wrote:


Noah

This is not your call to make, yet it is something you have done numerous times in Northern California and are now trying to do it down here. Just because someone got talked to by a motorist on Laguna Road does not mean it is off limits to birders. I have been talked to by frustrated people there numerous times when I am birding there respectfully on my own. Yes, groups and some individuals should conduct themselves better there, but it does not mean that you can come in and dictate where people should bird or do not bird. We talked about this the other day (which obviously did not have any impact on you) so I don’t know what to do about this. I will tell you that I am not approving your post to the venturacobirding list and the next time you post anything like this, I am banishing you from the list. 

All other birders reading this, please ignore Noah’s post. However, when you are at the Laguna tams, please be respectful to motorists and step out of the road when cars are passing by. 

Dave Pereksta
Ventura



On Oct 12, 2019, at 18:36, Noah Arthur via Groups.Io <semirelicta@...> wrote:


Thanks to Steve Tucker for pointing out the sensitive access situation at the Laguna Rd. tams. The local residents obviously do not like birders walking along Laguna Rd, so in my opinion this location should be considered closed to birding, and should be marked as “restricted access” in eBird. 

In the past, situations where birders refused to stop visiting a road with tams when local landowners asked them to, resulted in the tams being cut down and the birds losing this important habitat. 

Noah Arthur (Oakland)


>>>THREAD CLOSED<<< Re: [sbcobirding] Birders no longer welcome at Laguna Rd. (Ventura Co.)

Jamie Chavez
 

This is an attempt to close this thread to the Santa Barbara list because the location in question is in another county. However, since sbcobirding was copied in the "To" line in the original message I can't say we won't receive these again, but I am imploring sbcobirders not to respond to the message with a CC that will go back to this group. This topic is closed to sbcobirding.

Thank you,

Jamie Chavez
sbcobirding Moderator


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Jamie Chavez
Santa Maria, CA

RFI 1994 hybrid wigeon

Tom Miko
 

Hi,
I am entering old pre-internet bird observations into eBird (when I should be out looking for October vagrants), and I am currently entering a long day trip from San Pedro up to Ventura and Santa Barbara counties and back and the problem is that not only do the names of bird species change, but sometimes the names of the places where you saw them also changes. I have an entry from February 13, 1994 for a hybrid American / Eurasian Wigeon in a  place in Santa Barbara called Sandpiper Park. I'm not finding this place on eBird. There is a golf course with this name.
There are other parks in other counties and in other states with this name, but I'm not finding the place where this hybrid wigeon was, in Santa Barbara County. Does anybody have any records for this hybrid wigeon from the winter of 1984? if I saw this bird at the time, it was very likely because I found out about it from others and I was chasing a known bird.

Thomas Geza Miko
Claremont, LA County
909.241.3300

“Song Thrasher” at LLC

John Callender
 

I haven’t seen this bird myself, but apparently there is a Song Sparrow at Lake Los Carneros that has an abnormally long upper beak that curves downward, making Marge and Don Thornton, who saw the bird near the east end of the dam on September 23, say it looks at first glance like “a miniature thrasher.” You can see their photo in their eBird list here:

https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S60064902

Today Jacob Broad photographed what looks like the same bird. His photos are here:

https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S60599964

I wonder what might have caused the deformity, what problems it creates for the bird, and whether the beak will continue to grow in the future.

John Callender
Carpinteria

Figueroa Mountain

Wes Fritz
 

SB Birders,

I birded portions of Fig Mountain last night starting at 8:00pm until 1:45 am, I was mainly up there looking for owls. I spent the most my time on the Cat Way Road or also know as Zaca Ridge Road, I birded it all the way to La Jolla Springs Trail Head. The moon was nearly full and it really made it hard to see owls. Actually there were very quiet and difficult.
  But the Common Poorwills are still passing through in decent numbers with 9 individuals being seen. They were all seen on the west facing slopes and the air temperature was 57 degrees so it was perfect conditions for seeing these birds well.
  As Brad Hacker mentioned not too long ago, you definitely need a high clearance vehicle and decent tires. Basically the road is pretty dicey with deep ruts along with other hazards.

I do not recommend trying this road in a simple car, or going out owling on full moon nights. I apologize for not reporting the owls.

Good birding.


Wes Fritz
805-895-0685
Wes-Fritz@...
Solvang CA.